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Johnny
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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Location: Southwood, London
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| Used to get that with my old Bonts, but then they did have quite a strange suede lining and they pressed very hard on me when I was tired (pronating) No problems like that with the Simmons. Strange how different people with their different feet find stock boots from one brand or another to be the right fit. |
Yeah, I think I was pronating when I got my blisters.
It didn't help that I on them for more than an hour.
So, is there a web site that tells me how to adjust the skate for my feet?
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Rick
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:19 am Subject: |
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| Johnny wrote: |
So, is there a web site that tells me how to adjust the skate for my feet?
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I'd say it was this one. In general line the back of the frame up with your achilles tendon and the front of the frame with the gap between your big toe and second toe. Then only minor adjustments from there. Since I learned this I have been a much better skater.
UK #1 Chris Stafford taught it to a bunch of skaters at a weekend speed retreat in Kings Lynn some time ago. Gav passed it on to us and it had made my setup much faster to adapt to. I used to spend ages tweaking them and when I'd get tired I'd tweak them some more. Now I know where they go the only thing I have to worry about is front back adjustment. |
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kim
Joined: 03 Oct 2004
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Location: London
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:27 pm Subject: |
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The toe thing is a little less critical, and indeed you line it up with the gap between the big toe and it's neighbour. Most folks have the frame a little to the inside. I've photographed the frame position of several top skaters and they are all to the inside, ranging from reasonable to a lot. None of them have the frame *really* close to the middle.
Bear in mind also, that if you foot wants to pronate, you can adjust the frame a lot and you'll keep getting sore points, you should really concentrate hard on remaining in touch with the feeling of your foot through the entire stroke and make sure that control it not to feel any pressure clipping in from each side. Because sooner or later you need to get this right, regardless of the position of the frame. Also, Kalon Dobbin once said to me that a good skater can skate on his skates fine almost regardless of the position of the frame, in order words control of your foot is very important and a frame adjustment alone will not correct pronatiion, although it can certainly reduce the amount of effort your foot requires to bring it back into alignment. |
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kim
Joined: 03 Oct 2004
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Location: London
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:10 pm Subject: |
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I'm going to call them on Monday.
The threads seem to be made in a very odd way, each hole is 'lined' with the thread which, it seems, is not attached to the block. All of them are like it. The thread got caught on the bold and simply unscrewed from the block and, being springy steel, just popped out. It could easily happen to any of the others. |
Went I stripped the thread off my Verducci boot recently, a bit dropped out that also looked like a bit of a pop in thread. I'm not sure if this really is some thing in the way these things are made or whether it's simply what happens when you strip the thread. It's always tricky, because over tightening can potentially strip a thread, but under tightening and your frame drops off whilst skating, also a pain. Basically, threads should take a full amount of tightening I think. Do you use the bolt that came with the boot itself? With my Verducci, I used the bolt that came with the frame, which although a standard size, did seem to be a little tighter than a bolt from the shoe. I think this may have had an influence on my thread strip  |
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Tom
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
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Location: Holland Park
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:54 pm Subject: |
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| It's the bolt that came with the boot. I don't think the thread is stripped in the normal sense of the word. I'm going with mike's helicoil idea, although the threads don't look much like pictures of helicoils I've seen on the web. |
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kim
Joined: 03 Oct 2004
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Location: London
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:36 pm Subject: |
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| Maybe that's what my boot used as well. |
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xsfred
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
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Location: Paris
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:49 pm Subject: |
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| kim wrote: |
| Kalon Dobbin once said to me that a good skater can skate on his skates fine almost regardless of the position of the frame. |
This is at least misleading.
A "good skater" (what is a "good skater" to Kalon Dobbin ? 50 people on earth ?) generally has a good hip-knee-ankle alignment ; pronation, if any, is little. Even though, correct position of frame is evidenced by computer for the top teams.
Now to an "ordinary skater", which we all are, pronation/supination can be very important - way too important to be neglected.
This kind of idea is sure to keep you in the dark. Many speed skaters actually paint marks on their boots/frames to make sure they easily find the place back if the frame comes undone.
To make sure your frames are correctly adjusted, sprint with laces unfastened - that brings instant enlightment. |
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