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Berlin Marathon 2008, 27th September
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Alan
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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| Andy hope you are feeling better soon. Glad to hear you are back in Blighty. Hope there are no long term complications or damage. |
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Barrie
Joined: 21 May 2006
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Location: Putney
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:21 am Subject: |
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287 81 X3039 » Roberts, Gill (GBR) WAkt London 01:35:14
423 147 X2733 » Vilusz, Orsolya (HUN) W30 London 01:39:37
613 75 T3714 » Sanjenbam, Ashwin (IND) MAkt Manipur, India 01:25:26
1356 310 T3389 » Pfeifer, Barrie (GBR) M30 London 01:34:19 |
I think I'm more content with my 1:34 than Ash is with his 1:25 
Big, BIG thanks to Gill & James for getting me going again!
I'd got way too hot going with Rick et al, then cooled a little and tried going with Alan but was still getting more and more hot, so pulled out to cool down again and try to work out what the hell to do...
So, cooler top and helmet for next year... though I think fitness was the main cause of those early problems.
And obviously, I hope you get better quickly Andy!
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Simon
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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Location: Out side edge
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:23 am Subject: |
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Get well soon Andy...
Well done every one else some VERY fast time WOW!!!!!!!! |
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lemming
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 693
Location: Reading, UK
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:23 pm Subject: |
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Andy - hope you get better soon.
Well done guys. Was reading the times with some disbelief! |
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ed!
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Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Location: E R, London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:03 pm Subject: |
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| Some rather impressively fast times there. Peter, ed!, Sol, you have all beaten my PB ... |
Tanya and Sparky will be on that list too (1 second after me). Yes, some impressively fast times from most, if not everyone. It was great conditions this year - dry, warm, wind where you wanted it to be - stark contrast to last year. Dan, I'm certain that if you were there, you would have beaten your PB too - irrespective of any lack of training through injury (you've proved that before!).
Here's my race report:
Seems like Block B was the place to be, with a fair few London skaters starting off from there. PeterC, Glenn, Fred, Nurse Sparky and Duracell (I think) started off towards the front of the line; with Markus, Alistair, Andy, MJ and perhaps more (Ben?) somewhere in the middle.
Having went off too fast last year, and burning out about halfway through, I was determined not make the same mistake again, so I tried to get off fast, but at the same time, sit back a bit and not get too excited.
As always, when the gun goes off and you're not at the front of the line, it takes an eternity to get going. That said, Markus (who was in front of me at the start) went off like a rocket, so I tried to keep him in sight whilst ensuring I didn't fall in the melee. I kept glancing back, and could see Alistair sticking with me, and I believe that Andy was behind him.
I skated behind Markus for a bit(with Sparky ahead of us), until we got split up during paceline jumping - I had also lost Alistair, Andy and Glenn at some point, not sure when though).
I remember seeing PeterC and Fred, both in pacelines I knew I probably couldn't stick with so left them to it.
The rest of the race was spent with a bunch of skaters, including Sparky (mainly ahead of me). Unfortunately for him, a lot of the skaters were snobbish when it came to working with a nurse on 4 small wheels, irrespective of the fact that he had more than earnt his place to be there.
We crossed the halfway mark at about 36 minutes, and I couldn't help thinking that a 1:12 might be possible. About two thirds in, our pack split into two, with Sparky falling back a bit, only for them to catch up a bit later on - due to our pack's silly games and the other pack's (well Sparky and one other guy) working hard to close the gap.
The last 8k then sped up as people started to realise how close we were. Sparky got his 2nd/3rd/4th(?!?!) wind and managed to motor. I was already feeling a bit tired so just hung on with my group - no one was really making a break, it was just one big messy pack skating the whole width of the road, so I was content to just relax a bit.
With 2k to go, everyone got a bit too happy and started near-sprinting. Having mistakingly done likewise 2 years ago, I decided to wait a bit and it paid off. A lot of people were tired by the time they reached the Brandenburg Gate, and with there being enough space on the right hand side to make any streetskating marshal envious, I was able to sprint freely and gain quite a few places. I could see Sparky in front of me, and managed to pip him to the line by a mere second.
I definitely have Sparky to thank for contributing to the fast time as it's really motivating skating with someone you know - it's quite easy to give up and wait for a slower pack (which I nearly did on several occasions), when you haven't a motivational reason to hang on.
I must also say that the Tatem sessions with Adrian have helped more that I probably would have realised. If you have any sort of training plan, I would defintiely encourage people to ensure that it's in it.
What a great race - I was staring at my certificate all the way back to the hostel!
| Barrie wrote: |
| So, cooler top... |
I think MJ may have a solution for you 
And Tanya...where's breakfast?! |
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andyman
Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 1945
Location: Suffolk
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:21 pm Subject: |
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Hi all,
Goes without saying really, can I wish all of you a massive thank you for not only all of the offers of assistance and best wishes in Berlin (and offer of dirty mags Mozza!) but also those of you back here again for your kind thoughts.
It would be churlish not to say an extra special thanks to Tanya, Sol and Pamela (all girls? ) I was stuck in the A&E feeling well and truly pissed off that what was looking to be my best ever marathon was brought to a crashing and abrupt end; no phone, no wallet no drinks or food and more than four hours of this, when I am handed a phone to hear Tanya assuring me everything was going to be sorted out. She had tracked me down!
Sure enough before too long Sol and Tanya were at the bedside having already collected all my belongings including race bag, sorting my insurance and generaly making me feel very good indeed. Shame they had to rush off to the party for their own celebration but they deserved that (Tanya even gave up her only bag of Haribo's - although they refused point blank to let me have one of their (many) Bacardi and Cokes  ) Pamela was doing all she could back at the Westin (from the comfort of her private masseurs room ) And indeed sorted me out from the hospital back to Tegel on Sunday.
Cant give you a full update on my injuries at the moment other than to say both orthapedic specialists in Germany felt the damage to the shoulder was such that the only course of action was an operation. I have spoken to one consultant this morning in London who says 'We (the NHS!) don't necessarily treat all of these injuries by operation...' but she has now referred my case to a consultant shoulder surgeon at Guys who is going to call me this afternoon or tomorrow.
The one thing everyone agrees on is that I have a Grade III AC Seperation of the clavicle, meaning all of the Acromio-clavicular and coraco-clavicular ligaments are completely severed. Here is an actual pic of the seperation - as you can see it sticks out somewhat at the top of my shoulder! There is some debate as to the extent of the fracture of the clavicle (which I am told is academic at this point depending on whether the final prognosis is)
Ed has already given a great account of his race and whilst always losing ground on him I felt I was not that far behind him most of the way, in fact I was skating with Fred when I actually had my fall, fortunately he avoided the melee as he was just in front of me. What I will second is that it really is so encouraging skating near club members and to that extent I seemed to be able to see club colours all the way which was fantastic. (You have to look at the gallery showing just how many members, and non members wore LSST blue. Awesome)
The news of course that you all really wanted to hear was what became of the skin suit? Well here it is and I am happy to report that even after a pretty horrific crash with loads of road slide, the suit has only a very small hole and a couple of marks to the white on the arms, other than that, no damage. My boots I'm afraid are a different story, looking more like Sol or Tanya's  Not to worry I can get them fixed.
Thanks again it really is great to be surrounded by friends at bad times 
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Barrie
Joined: 21 May 2006
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Location: Putney
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:22 pm Subject: |
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| ed! wrote: |
| I must also say that the Tatem sessions with Adrian have helped more that I probably would have realised. If you have any sort of training plan, I would defintiely encourage people to ensure that it's in it. |
Indeedy - practising cruising at speed, etc., with you guys has helped me a lot already, and will do so even more for next year.
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| Barrie wrote: |
| So, cooler top... |
I think MJ may have a solution for you |
Sleeping with club chairman and torpedo-ing my paceline? 
Actually, I used to have the same problem of getting too hot when playing squash, but was fine if I doused my head in water before starting... so I reckon a holier(sp?) helmet and a splash of water could save me a couple of mins. |
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Martyzz1
Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 358
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:13 pm Subject: |
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bah... Still up to my eyeballs in work.. So definitely not gonna make it to Cologne.. So going sub 1:30 will have to wait till next year  Gutted really. I've got no aches and pains in my legs, nor were they particularly tired.. Yet I managed to shave another 3 mins of my PB...
So I reckon my conclusion for this year is that the Tabeta workout helped to get my fitness back up to race levels, and indeed increase my leg muscles strenght (due to doing it on a stepper) and I really REALLY need to work on my technique because I was obviously not crouching low enough and working my muscles.. So I reckon next year I'll set a target time of sub 1:25 and promise myself to keep doing the workout regime throughout the winter...
Commiserations Andy.. god knows how fast you'll be when your luck kicks in for a season. |
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malspeedster
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Posts: 259
Location: Crossharbour
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:42 pm Subject: |
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Congrats to everyone, for such a good race.
Hope you get well soon, Andy.
My experience with Berlin definitely has improved.
Last year, we were all ' swimming' abt in the rain.
This year, was amazingly sunny, and not too hot.
I started my race from block G
And it is definitely not the place to be
Before starting, I was looking around for my 'proposed' draft partner, Orsi.
Unfortunately, I couldnt locate her.
I manage to went off quite fast at the start and was drafting with Ben's sis (I think) for like a moment, before speeding off again.
From that point on, I was on a lookout for a suitable paceline.
No luck, so I have to just do my own stuff, and things was going so well up till the 35km mark, where my energy level suddenly dived.
I guess in the end, I sorta killed myself by skating alone, and was 'limping' to the finish line (luckily).
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place Pl.AC startno. name ac club finish
1481 152 T4616 » Yeoh, Tiak Hee (GER) MAkt Surrey 01:35:47 |
Overall still not too bad, just wish I have got a paceline
Oh, and I just realised that I am now German  |
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Martyzz1
Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 358
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:57 pm Subject: |
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for a solitary skates thats a good time.. IT should also put you in Category D for next year, and from there you will find MANY pace lines to your taste...
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K2Claire
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Cheshunt
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:11 pm Subject: Other London Skaters |
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Hi,
Great to see people's times here, sorry to hear about the falls!
I'm not a real LSST but see some of you around in London or at Tatem (as does my husband Alex) so thought you might want to see some more Brits times 
Platz Pl.AK Startnr. Name AK Verein Zielzeit
1181 116 T1331 » Brittain, Alex (GBR) MAkt Cheapskates 01:32:28
217 69 X1194 » Brittain, Claire (GBR) WAkt Cheapskates 01:32:28
852 207 T2754 » Lait, Edward (GBR) M30 Bath 01:28:42
This was our 3rd year at Berlin and thrashed our previous times of 1hr40 (2006) and 1:59 (rainy 2007)
As for a race synopsis.. .we were in D which seemed to be full of people that have invested in 100mm skates without investing in the time to actually practice on them, so they did a lot of accelerating then breaking on hills and corners - a bit frustrating and reminiscent of the M25!!
It's a shame as I feel we could have got close to 1:30 without the braking and waste of energy, by 18miles Alex and I went for a 2 man train over taking all of the 100/110mm guys with our 4x90/84mm 
Saw sooo many accidents, far more than in the rain which surprised me. Someone clipped my skate from behind (he was too close on a bend) I held myself up in spite of this, but he thought it was best to grab my waist to steady himself, it didn't work and he went for a tumble! Momentary guilt followed by slight anger that he was a split second from taking me with him.
All in all though, it was a fab race and amazing atmostphere and next year if we go for Berlin we'll be shooting for group C to avoid the braking.
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Barrie
Joined: 21 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Other London Skaters |
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| K2Claire wrote: |
| ...they did a lot of accelerating then breaking on hills and corners... |
and straights too...
I'd guess it only takes a small proportion of the skaters to cause a problem for everyone. E.g. on a bend, person 1 slows down, person 2 moves to go around person 1, person 3 now has 2 people abreast in front of them... before you know it the single-file pace-line is now taking up the entire road width.
Several times I just moved sideways, shot forwards a few places, then slotted back in when the paceline got going again, avoids a lot of the dangers and momentum loss ( as long as the paceline is suitably cooperative anyway! ).
Next year I too hope I'm clear of all that, but I doubt the grass is much greener in C. From what Tanya was saying the female A block still had some such issues with people slowing for bends. |
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Mikey-two-Names
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:05 pm Subject: |
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| Anyone going slower than me is an idiot, and anyone going faster is a maniac... |
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dan_b
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:10 pm Subject: |
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Yes, you tend to get that at all levels. I'd describe the front of Block B in 2006 as a scrum, except that there are rules about how a scrum is formed. More of a ruck, really. Imagine the first three rows of a streetskate but all moving at 20+ mph...
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| Anyone going slower than me is an idiot, and anyone going faster is a maniac... |
I think that's motorised vehicles and descents. Anyone going faster than me on the flat is just faster than me. |
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Rick
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Other London Skaters |
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| K2Claire wrote: |
All in all though, it was a fab race and amazing atmostphere and next year if we go for Berlin we'll be shooting for group C to avoid the braking.
Best so far |
Braking or concertinaring? The latter even happens in block A if you are too far down a pace line. After the first 6 or 8 skaters it tends to happen quite a lot as skaters are unable to see the acceleration at the front then a gap opens and they sprint to close it then they all bunch back up into the line and cause it to start all over again. Keep your head up and look forward.
I started in D block and didn't really experience any real problems because I never went a long way down a line and I always kept my head up. There was occasional pushing from behind but it was not a problem for me. |
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