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Adam B(GMF)
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Mikey-two-Names
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| I don't think it's much use to marathon skaters. I'm not sure what you mean by taken occasionally? |
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Adam B(GMF)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:05 pm Subject: |
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| ls_mike wrote: |
| I don't think it's much use to marathon skaters. I'm not sure what you mean by taken occasionally? |
long terms buggers your liver - ie take it every day for a year or so
distance, no... sprinting events like relay races or mulitple short races in a day |
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Fred_Paris
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:07 pm Subject: |
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I'll start taking this stuff when I'll be competing for the world champion title lol. If it's still off the doping list at that time ^^
I come from athletics thought, and it was on the list at my time so, so I don't fancy using the stuff at all.
It will be kind of a failure in my line of conduct 
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Mikey-two-Names
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:08 pm Subject: |
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Liver and kidney damage is not clear from the document you linked, they only speculate on the possibility.
Please be specific on what you mean by taken occasionally - a one off before an event, a month's loading, etc? |
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Adam B(GMF)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:15 pm Subject: |
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| ls_mike wrote: |
Liver and kidney damage is not clear from the document you linked, they only speculate on the possibility.
Please be specific on what you mean by taken occasionally - a one off before an event, a month's loading, etc? |
i was thinking about loading a few weeks before event. as apposed to taking it every day over a period of months
Just felt it was good idea to point out it could be harmful even if there is only unproven link
Fred - didn't think it was banned substance for any sport! |
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dan_b
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:23 pm Subject: |
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| ls_mike wrote: |
| I don't think it's much use to marathon skaters. |
There's no need for explosive energy and short-term recovery in marathons? At the LIM I'd have loved a bit more in the tank to hop on faster pacelines when they came around to lap me.
That said, I get kind of wigged out by the prospect of eating anything that I can't tell what sort of animal/plant it came from, so don't count me in for any lsst creatine bulk order just yet. |
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Fred_Paris
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:29 pm Subject: |
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| Adam B(GMF) wrote: |
Fred - didn't think it was banned substance for any sport! |
Ok, ok I might add than in France (for athletics) it's actually not on the list...but you can't sell it on the french territory 
you know french people...
Ps : can't be sell because it has no legal status, not a medic, not a complement, plus medical risks if you take too much of it, etc.. |
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Adam B(GMF)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:43 pm Subject: |
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| Fred_Paris wrote: |
| Adam B(GMF) wrote: |
Fred - didn't think it was banned substance for any sport! |
Ok, ok I might add than in France (for athletics) it's actually not on the list...but you can't sell it on the french territory
you know french people...
Ps : can't be sell because it has no legal status, not a medic, not a complement, plus medical risks if you take too much of it, etc.. |
interesting!
Was thinking about relay races like Le Manns |
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Gav
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:30 pm Subject: |
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I would be very hesitant about using any supplement without fully understanding the effects and implications.
Creatine is used mostly to build muscle bulk, in conjunction with a properly designed gym/weights program. Sources that I have consulted have told me that it is not what you really should be using for a sport like speed skating, as they felt it slowed them down after taking it over a course of time.
I wouldn't suggest it, unless you've consulted someone that really knows what they are talking about (e.g. sports nutritionist, dietician, etc). Also the weight gain is quite a bit... wouldn't be practical for most of us. |
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Mikey-two-Names
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:42 pm Subject: |
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| dan_b wrote: |
| ls_mike wrote: |
| I don't think it's much use to marathon skaters. |
There's no need for explosive energy and short-term recovery in marathons? At the LIM I'd have loved a bit more in the tank to hop on faster pacelines when they came around to lap me.
That said, I get kind of wigged out by the prospect of eating anything that I can't tell what sort of animal/plant it came from, so don't count me in for any lsst creatine bulk order just yet. |
I don't think those efforts make a lot of use out of the ATP energy system, from what I understand. |
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Natasha
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:30 pm Subject: |
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| ls_mike wrote: |
| I don't think those efforts make a lot of use out of the ATP energy system, from what I understand. |
Quoi? In English plizz? |
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Rick
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:37 pm Subject: |
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| Association of Tennis Professionals??? |
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Adam B(GMF)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:30 am Subject: |
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| Gav wrote: |
Creatine is used mostly to build muscle bulk, in conjunction with a properly designed gym/weights program. |
From what i know it does not help gaining muscle - it allows the person to work harder but does not work like protein. Does bulk you up by making you retain water.
But weight lifters will generally take a whole load of stuff that either does nothing, or is harmful if they think it will make them bigger
Friend at college turn into a power-keg waiting to go off at the slightest thing after (we all thought after gaining 2 stone of solid muscule very quickly) taking steroids - very scarely. He has since returned to his normal calm self |
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kelwen
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:01 pm Subject: |
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My understanding and expirence of creatine is that it is a recovery agent. It is naturally found in your body and as Mike has said is used with ATP:
Adenosine triphosphate: An important carrier of energy in cells in the body and a compound that is important in the synthesis (the making) of RNA. Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) is a nucleotide (a building block of a nucleic acid such as RNA). The body produces ATP from food and then ATP produces energy as needed by the body.
An increase of this through use of creatine allows you to recover more quickly then on its own and lift more weights more often. The latter means that you bulk up quicker, as you are no doubt on Protein, L-Glutamine, Sida-Cordifolia etc supplaments too.
Creatine on its own will not make you get bigger stronger etc...
Side effects : Other than those mentioned kidney failure has happened to some people, but again there is no direct proof that creatine was at fault.
Very regular toliet visits will be common...
Cycling with creatine is very important; ignore the loading phase as this tends firstly make the toliet visits worse and your body just gets rid of the exess anyway. |
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