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Custom boots - worth it?
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EdP



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:30 am    Subject: Custom boots - worth it? Reply with quote

Looking at my scabby feet after Le Mans I’m considering a pair of custom boots – I’d certainly need something different if I want to consider a solo/duo again next year.

What is the consensus on these? Would someone at my level really feel any benefit in terms of control over a stock boot? I’m currently on some Jets and would be interested to hear the experiences of other people who have gone down that route.

I’d probably go for some Vapours – I want something black that won’t look filthy (and can be repaired with black duct tape!) and desperately need that toe bumper. Are there other brands that I should be looking at?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:42 am    Subject: Re: Custom boots - worth it? Reply with quote

EdP wrote:
I’d probably go for some Vapours – I want something black that won’t look filthy (and can be repaired with black duct tape!) and desperately need that toe bumper. Are there other brands that I should be looking at?

http://www.londonspeedskaters.com/forums/What-is-the-consensus-on-Luigino-boots--t4781.php

If you opt for black boots, don't leave them lying around in the sun at Le Mans - ouchie!!!


I've been warming to the idea of custom boots for the best part of 6 months given that I'm actually putting the skating time and performances that could possibly warrant them.

I guess customs is definitely needed for someone who has "special" feet that stock boots just don't cater for.  My current boots are not a perfect fit, but they let me get the job done without any significant pain or problems.  I think customs would give me a glove like fit, meaning that I can apply real precision and optimum power with my skating - I just need to acquire both first!

A lot will also come down to who does your moulding and who makes them - two equally important parts of the process.  Not everyone has had success with customs, myself included, so researching is definitely a good idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:27 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I have custom Vapours in black if you have any questions, also happy to talk through my rational for getting them over other options available at the time.
(But I had the cash is one of them)

Not too sure any proper hard tight speed skates will fit well enough to stop your feet getting ripped up when you are tired and your technique goes at solo/duo milages.

Hans may have more info on that, he had some junkers he loved when he solo'd
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:30 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the reply. One other thing is that I'm also tempted to get them in the 195mm 2pt flavour so that I can run a 3x110 1x100 with a lower deck height and shorter frame length.

I don't really have any experience with 2pt 195mm - will someone as light as myself really feel any difference?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:40 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

peterc wrote:
I have custom Vapours in black if you have any questions, also happy to talk through my rational for getting them over other options available at the time.
(But I had the cash is one of them)

Not too sure any proper hard tight speed skates will fit well enough to stop your feet getting ripped up when you are tired and your technique goes at solo/duo milages.

Hans may have more info on that, he had some junkers he loved when he solo'd


I might blow my quarterly bonus on a pair - so I can technically get them without being any worse off.

Lots of the cuts were right on the top of the foot - so I'm fairly convinced that there is something to be gained. I also have pretty skinny feet that are different sizes.

I'd be very interested to hear what sort of improvement you felt over a stock boot in terms of control - is it easier to perfect your technique on them?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:01 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

EdP wrote:


I might blow my quarterly bonus on a pair - so I can technically get them without being any worse off.



Assuming there's no opportunity cost :p

I've no idea about customs, but have heard various stories, some good, some bad. I'd wonder if they'd actually be more devilish on your feet than stock boots when your technique goes though? Just a feeling that they'd be built with less padding and tolerance. I'm sure someone with a clue will come along in a minute and correct me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:19 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

My custom Junkers were the most comfortable skates I have ever owned, and I include in that my trusty Crossmax.  I've never done a le mans solo or duo, but they served me well for the informal London->Eastbourne skate we did a few years back (ten hours on skates, several decent climbs, some of it on less than great surface).

That said, if I hadn't bought Bonts that were half a size too large on the right foot, who's to say they wouldn't be just as comfortable?
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EdP



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:29 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dan - that is interesting to hear.

Did you get any more or less control with the customs? And did you feel any difference when you went from 2pt to 3pt?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:52 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Hard to tell, I spent six months on Crossmax after my Junkers died before buying new skates, so went from 100mm->76/80->110 - and my technique went to shit in the interim anyway, so not really a useful comparison.

I think there's maybe a bit more slop in the (stock) Bonts.  I get a bit of wobble on the right foot when I'm tired, but I dunno if that's a custom thing or a more straightforward size thing.   But then: getting a custom skate could basically be looked at as just a really expensive way of being sure you have exactly the right size...

For my next skates, some day in the distant future, assuming a fixed budget I would probably look at getting a custom model of a cheaper boot rather than a more expensive stock boot.  The weight difference is offset by having a pee before you set out.
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Barrie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:05 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

dan_b wrote:
The weight difference is offset by having a pee before you set out.
Well, on one hand you don't have to lift and move your bladder around ( in the same way... ), but on the other hand, iirc the weight difference looks pretty irrelevant when you consider the weight of the wheels.
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Van



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:31 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Howard wrote:
Just a feeling that they'd be built with less padding and tolerance. I'm sure someone with a clue will come along in a minute and correct me.


As they are customs, I thought you could specify exactly how much padding and anything else you wanted. Certainly that is the impression I got when I read LSMike's review of his custom Vaypors. (http://www.londonskaters.com/review-bont-vaypor-3-mount-2006-speedskates.htm)

Would be very interested to hear how to get on, Ed. I'm not looking to splash out this side of Christmas, but I'm contemplating a more drastic solution for my wide feet on my next purchase.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:37 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

maybe we could all have a chat to Tom about his recent custom Bont "Z" purchase..

I think he did a moulding sock with some assistance from a podiatrist or something... not sure.. but def worth a chat.. now he's had them a few weeks..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:27 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Is that Tom G?
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Howard



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:57 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

EdP wrote:
Is that Tom G?


Tom Greasley, yeah. That man has freakish feet!


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EdP



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:59 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Going to bend his ear tonight and then make a decision based on that.
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