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Hannover-Celle marathon, May 28th 2006
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Glenn



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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:16 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Wow - they are some really quick times; well done guys.
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brandbarth



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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:41 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I decided to do Nordstrand instead of Hannover-Celle and nearly died in 2:50 or so. It was very windy (7 bft, peak wind force 9bft), one very very very long part of the track (8km) and two smaller parts with the wind straight into the face, I have red eyes like an albino rabbit, am walking like I'm 90 years old and everything HURTS!

I hate myself and this decision of mine!  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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roger



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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:26 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations Rick on your PB, and well done to everyone else who raced this weekend.   Its great to see so many LSST names on the first page of the results sheet.
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Gav
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:15 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I'm really impressed everyone! Nice work Smile
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dan_b



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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:32 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Ray wrote:

And for Dan?

Yup, 1.17 is my best so far. Time l got my berlin registration sorted now
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Rick



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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:51 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Already updated my Davengo entry for Berlin.

More details of the race. Rich was too fas ton our line. Little bit of inexperience (only his second marathon) he should have sprinted after Dan at the start but got blocked by someone in front and me going past and the side of the road and lost his opportunity he tailed me out until we became part of what was the third paceline out of the start. Possibly the second as Dan was on the first but his line split and then he dropped onto the second part of that after a little while.

After half way when we hit the head winds and some slippery surfaces Rich made three separate attempts to make the line faster by racing up to the front and motivating the front runners to pick the pace up, but they weren't having any of it. We weren't going to pick up any more places and we weren't going to fall back and not many people seemed that interested in getting a time. It went so slowly that Merten and I had some conversations in the line.

At the end of the race I kept my head up looking for the obvious signs that it was about to end. 5km to go make sure I am safely tucked up in the paceline. Behind Merten at this point is an excellent place to do no work and prepare for a sprint. Enter Celle 3km to go. Now I am ready. 2 turns and a line break happens from behind me. I see a slot in it and jump across. We split at a traffic Island and then merge across in front of the other line. Someone in front flags, I sprint past. A slight bend in the road and I can see the Ziel banner about 250m ahead. The sprint is on, I take two people and am gaining on third but not enough to overtake so I reach for my watch and press the stop after crossing the mat. I don't have th energy to slow down and I grab a medal dangled out in front or me and attempt a gentle snowplough. Some energy returns and I manage to step to a halt a few metres past the drinks table. Congratulations all round to the rest of the line. Fantastic. Could have been faster. If only it had been downwind all the way it would have been over in 1h12. Still 8m07s faster than my previous PB things are looking good.

Rich didn't spot the break or the final sprint coming and so finished a bit further back. A bit more inexperience there. Some valuable lessons learned. Hopefully he can put them into practice for Berlin and do a <1h15m.

Just looked at what I wrote in my goals for 2006.
I wrote:
I would like to complete 5 marathons in 2006. I have found it quite easy to enter 5 but have never managed more than 4 in a year so far. I would like to finish in the top 3rd in my age group for all marathons and have a top 20% or two.

3 down, 2 more to go before the end of June and 2 more booked after that. So far had 1 top 30% finish and, 1 top 20%, 1 top 12%. Hee, hee. Feeling quite high at the moment.

Thanks for all the congrats. Better things to come, I feel.
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roger



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:35 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Already updated my Davengo entry for Berlin.


I did that a couple of years ago, and they ignored my amended entry.

On the application form they ask you to send a copy of your finisher certificate to office@berlin-marathon.com for all times under 1:30, so I would do that.   I would also take a paper copy when you register in Berlin in case of any problems.
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dan_b



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:14 am    Subject: Reply with quote

My race, then: hopped onto the back of the lead paceline at the start, but I knew it was faster than I could have sustained for 42k, and when the guy in front dropped off (after all of about, oh, ten minutes) I didn't have the extra speed to get around him and close the gap again.  So, skated for a little while not-quite-in-the-wind-shadow of the lead paceline (draining) until meeting another couple of dropouts and we skated maybe 2-3k in a line of three, before the second line overtook and I merged into it.

Life on the second line was a bit friendlier, especially in the first half: with the tailwind we were doing speeds of 36-37k (according to my GPS) and it didn't even feel like work.  Once we turned into the wind it slowed down a lot, though - right down to 26k on some of the exposed bits.  There were, I guess, about eight of us on the front of the line taking turns to pull - everybody who came off the front was going into the line before tenth place, so the rest got a free ride.

Stayed there pretty much to the end.  After my last turn on the front at about 3k I slotted back in further down the line (probably too far back, in fact) to make sure I didn't take another pull.   One guy broke just before the last bend - if I'd twigged that he was from the local team (so probably knew the course) I'd have followed him, but I just assumed he was guessing - and then we were round the corner and the whole thing disintegrated.  Overtook four or five on the sprint, crossed the line, then went all wobbly and had to just a-frame glide for a bit before I even thought about trying to slow down.

For next time: not sure.  It wasn't a good race at all from the energy conservation point of view - I could have started out with the second line instead of attempting to chase the leaders, and I'd still have finished in roughly the same place.  But then I'd never have known for certain that it was too fast for me ...  I still need more confidence on the whole "breaking into lines" thing instead of tacking on at the tail, but that's just familiarity.

So, 29th of 458, or 7th of 97 (in M30).  I think I'm more proud of "less than ten minutes behind the winner", though :-)

[ edit: full results are online at http://results.mikatiming.de/2006/hannover_celle/ if anyone was wondering ]


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dan_b



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:26 am    Subject: Reply with quote

And to add to that: thanks to Rick for doing all the driving.  If you find a piece of black plastic that looks like this in the back of your car, it's the power/data cradle from my gps ...
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Gav
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:34 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Some interesting points there Dan... which I'd like to comment on from my experience.
dan_b wrote:
There were, I guess, about eight of us on the front of the line taking turns to pull - everybody who came off the front was going into the line before tenth place, so the rest got a free ride.

This is always the way it's going to be... But honestly, you really want to be in that top 10. Ideally you want to be circulating in the 3-8th position in a line if you want to be able to react to any situation... stay with breaks, etc.
dan_b wrote:
Stayed there pretty much to the end.  After my last turn on the front at about 3k I slotted back in further down the line (probably too far back, in fact) to make sure I didn't take another pull.   One guy broke just before the last bend - ...

Yup, hence why above comment. This is the result if you're too far back.
dan_b wrote:
For next time: not sure.  It wasn't a good race at all from the energy conservation point of view - I could have started out with the second line instead of attempting to chase the leaders, and I'd still have finished in roughly the same place.

Hindsight is a perfect science. You can never tell this from before the race. A hundred different possibilities could've happened. What you did was perfect! What you need to work on, is improving your technique and smoothness, and hence your ability to 'float' around between the lines and stay in that golden spot at the front... next time who knows.

Also, you need to think that when you start getting up near the front, this is how races work! 'Energy conversation' is much harder to achieve. Your fitness needs to be able to cope with this kind of continually changing dynamic... hence why fartlek training, and improving your acceleration and reaction times are so important.
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Rick



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:47 am    Subject: Reply with quote

dan_b wrote:
And to add to that: thanks to Rick for doing all the driving.  If you find a piece of black plastic that looks like this in the back of your car, it's the power/data cradle from my gps ...

Found it.
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Xia



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:22 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

good reports,
thanks I enjoyed the read and well done to everyone except for unlucky Tanya
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Michi



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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:53 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

dan_b wrote:
with the tailwind we were doing speeds of 36-37k (according to my GPS) and it didn't even feel like work.  Once we turned into the wind it slowed down a lot, though - right down to 26k on some of the exposed bits.

Wow, that is a lot of speed comparing tailwind to headwind. I've had the feeling that the speed went down a lot but 10k is hard...
I received some info of my teammates in Hamburg who have been to another race last Sunday (called Nordstrand). The wind seemed to be heavier there, if I remember right the winning time for women was 1:40 something. I am glad I was in Hannover...
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brandbarth



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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:13 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The wind seemed to be heavier there


First half: 01:04:25,0  Very Happy
Second half: 01:43:23,0  Rolling Eyes

Overall 2:48.

And my PB is 1:51 (Nordstrand 2:18 in 2004). Don't go there. It's nasty!  Wink
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merten



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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:01 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Well you get much much skating for your money, 3 hours for a few Euros Wink

... and a good natural course - apparently one of our Bremen team crashed into a sheep Shocked
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