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Heat Moulding My Bonts

 
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Rick



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:46 am    Subject: Heat Moulding My Bonts Reply with quote

I need to heat mould my skates fairly soon. I need to let them damage my feet a bit first so they slightly over-exaggerate the host spots to make them the best possible fit. Should be ready to cook them around the end of feb.

Has anyone had success with the process and if so what did you find best? Also if you made any mistakes I'd like your input to help me to avoid any pitfalls. i.e. did you follow the process exactly as published by Bont or did you try that and then do it again slightly differently to get a better result?

Lastly, does anyone want to get together for a heat moulding day where we all do our skates and help each other out? That way we hopefully have comfy feet for the coming season.
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Van



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:21 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bont.com/faq.htm

"Q: How do I Heat Mould my Bont Boots?
A: Your boots have been constructed using a special 'heat moldable' material. If necessary, the heal and ankle area of the boot can be heated, using a hair drier on the inside and outside of the boot, to make the fit more comfortable. When the boot has been heated sufficiently, so that it feels quite hot (do NOT scorch the leather, keep the drier moving in a circular motion), place the boots immediately onto the feet and lace firmly. You should NEVER wear boots with bolts only in the base, as it can damage the boots. Leave on until cool. The heating process takes a few minutes to do properly, so don't rush it. Be patient and do a good job. CAUTION: bolts used to attach frames should, for safety, be turned a minimum of 3 times into the nut. DO NOT PUT YOUR BOOTS IN THE MICROWAVE."

Q: How do I heat mould my boots in the oven?
A: Pre heat oven to 85C or 185F. Remove all bolts, frames, wheels etc from the boot. Place the boots in the oven for 20-30 minutes. Higher temperatures will damage the boot. Caution: Do not place feet in hot boots, let them cool a little first. Test the boot temperature with your hand before placing foot inside. Mount the frame to the boot and stand on it without wheels. Tighten the boot with the laces and wait until the boot cools. If there is a certain area giving you problems, push that area out using the handle of a screwdriver until the boot cools. You can heat mould the boots as many times as you like.


Apparently the instructions are slightly different with the printed instructions but the website instructions are more correct.


Make sure you put them standing on an oven tray and don't let any of the boot, straps etc touch the side or bottom of the oven, otherwise the plastics will melt. I did this on my semis but fortunately didn't damage them too much.
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EdP



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:26 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

My top tips:

I just popped mine in the oven as per Alexander Bont’s instructions.

Don’t forget to test for comfort over the whole range of ankle movement, including turning the toe slightly in at the start of each D-shaped recovery – this caught me out.

Also remember to do it later in the day when your feet are swollen (they can grow by 1/3 of a size over the course of the day).

I left the frame on (which was fine) and put a set of unwaxed laces on them so that I could do them up straight away without having to mess about.

It was also helpful to mark out the pressure points/uncomfortable parts with a whiteboard marker before they went in the oven.

I think that they take 30 minutes in the oven, so I put them in at 15 minute intervals so that I could focus on each individually.

I also wore thin cold, damp socks.

The boot will increase in size slightly with each heat moulding, so remember to squeeze everything in a little each time to counter this.

Lastly, be prepared to have to do it a few times to get it perfect.
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Sparky



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:01 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

EdP wrote:


I also wore thin cold, damp socks.


Why? a wet sock will conduct heat faster than a dry one.

I baked mine quite recently and with hindsight realize I didn't get them hot/soft enough the first time round.
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EdP



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:17 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Sparky wrote:
EdP wrote:


I also wore thin cold, damp socks.


Why? a wet sock will conduct heat faster than a dry one.

I baked mine quite recently and with hindsight realize I didn't get them hot/soft enough the first time round.


Unless it disappates the heat immediately around the foot sufficiently first I suppose. It certainty lowered the temperature for long enough for me to be much more comfortable.
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Rick



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:51 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Sparky wrote:
I baked mine quite recently and with hindsight realize I didn't get them hot/soft enough the first time round.

Why? Because you were too cautious? Didn't follow the instructions? Oven temperature wasn't right?
What do you mean by soft? Memory bendy. Too soft to stand in?

Did anyone use an oven thermometer? Preheating, etc
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Sparky



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:19 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I think the guide lines in the video on the Bont site are different to those I followed from the Bont forum, the boots were definitely more malleable the second time round which gav.e a much better result.

I did use an oven thermometer on both occasions.
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toby



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:26 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Well I think the guidelines are rubbish.

I found, to get the whole boot hot enough to make any shape differences you run the risk of damaging various less heat resistant parts of the boot.

Much better to use a heat gun and tool to work specific areas.

PS. Ed has a great heat gun and tool kit - actually I may still have it?!
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Rick



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:53 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

If I can grab the gun and tools I might try heat gunning them first as I have a specific area that needs a lot of work on the right skate of each pair. For general fit I still think baking is going to give a better result in helping the overall break in process but then I only need to soften the inners and not the whole boot.

Thanks for all the tips guys. I have 3 pairs to do so if I make a balls up of the first pair I won't be completely lost.
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ed!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:40 am    Subject: Re: Heat Moulding My Bonts Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Has anyone had success with the process and if so what did you find best? Also if you made any mistakes I'd like your input to help me to avoid any pitfalls. i.e. did you follow the process exactly as published by Bont or did you try that and then do it again slightly differently to get a better result?

My first attempt at heat moulding (Jets) was by following the little leaflet I got with my skates.  I just used my oven, trusting the dial on the cooker rather than using a thermostat.

I found that worked ok to get an initial fitting, but felt that the boot cooled down too quickly when faffing about trying to get laces and wheels on.
I didn't find it was ok when needing to work on specific things such as widening at the toes, addressing pressure points.

I contacted Glenn Koshi who kindly advised getting a heat gun (think one you'd use for paint stripping).

Now, what's required when using one of these is a lot of patience.  You need to heat up the desired part of the boot slowly (i.e. lower temperature applied for a longer period).  I found this out when applying too much heat to shorten the time and ended up discoloring my boot, shrivelling the footbed and curling the tongue a bit (make sure you keep it as far away as poosible).

If pushing out a specfic point, then I still have PeterC's G-Clamp which works wonders for people with speedskater's second ankles.  If widening the boot, then you can either try do this with your foot, or perhaps use the end of a screwdriver.

Schedule permitting, I'm happy to give people a hand - Toby's got my heat gun and PeterC's bits (fnarr!)...I've been a bit lazy trying to get round to getting it back.
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