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and fell..
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27%
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Gav
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Joined: 24 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:43 am    Subject: I went to berlin... Reply with quote

So official results say 17 of us skated. Plus non-team members...

What percentage fell Smile
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Mikey-two-Names



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:48 am    Subject: Reply with quote

I have 24 ppl so far, and I've not got all the non LSST skaters yet.  I'll post a compiled results sheet shortly.
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Adam B(GMF)



Joined: 30 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:58 am    Subject: Reply with quote

i was padded up and avoided falling - these are now my lucky pads and i'll never wash them (again)
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Ray



Joined: 30 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:57 am    Subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't padded so I'm very glad that I didn't fall  Smile

Saw quite a few fall tho'
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Mikey-two-Names



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:03 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Same here. I was lucky to miss two crashes, the first when my feet touched on a rough bit and I did a big swerve, enough to cause the girl behind me to gasp with shock.  The second when the same girl stacked spectacularly two places ahead of me half the race further on.  She took out the guy ahead of me, and I just avoided them.
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roger



Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:26 am    Subject: Reply with quote

I was padded up, especially as I had plans for the next day.

I saw a few falls but mostly involving the people who had started in block B, but were not really up to it (Hint:  a lot of them were wearing Follow Me tops).

There was only one fall in the actual block C paceline, that I saw, when about 4 bodies, including XSFred went down in front of me.   I was very lucky to avoid that one, especially as I clipped some-ones sprawling leg with my non-skating leg.  

There was another point where I had a really heavy jot when I must have hit a pothole - quite a shock at 20+mph.
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merten



Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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Location: Hamburg, N. Germany

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:43 am    Subject: Reply with quote

roger wrote:
I saw a few falls but mostly involving the people who had started in block B, but were not really up to it (Hint: a lot of them were wearing Follow Me tops).

I had the pleasure to run into one of the follow me pacelines when the 2nd C pack closed in on it. It is not too nice to skate with two lines next to each other for several km, one refusing to join the other and refusing to be joined as well. Also some of the follow me skaters appeared to be pushing themselves too hard there, resulting in some close misses and much shouting.

For me, I'm happy that I had my pads and bought new better fitting elbow pads at the fair. Nothing slipped Wink When my setdown skate suddenly stopped on that bitumen (damn roadworks), I took out one skater from a Hannover team I had been teaming up with - luckily she wore most pads so only suffered minor roadrash as well.

Did you guys find the race too crowded and dangerous? Loads of skaters are complaining on one of the German forums. I found it pretty scary but OK on the first km, and pretty much fine afterwards. The B pack crash apparently took out a good 100 people though Shocked some with several shattered bones.
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Mikey-two-Names



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:13 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I didn't have much trouble with skaters of poor ability, most were more than capable enough in my surroundings.  Though some were clearly not perfectly experienced with group skating and dynamics, they were still good enough.

I was disappointed to see nearly all the skaters around me refuse to let people join their pacelines.  Both the follow me pace lines and the various German teams.  I think maybe it's a German speedskating tradition, though I wouldn't be surprised to see other nationalities do the same.  I think it wasn't very sporting, whatever the cause.

I got pissed off enough that I just synched up and stepped into a line anyway, and thanks to my hockey and streetskating they usually had to capitulate.  One German dude was so upset he actually started to hit me lightly, beat the wanker though in the final sprint.
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Beatrice
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Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:17 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Our mini paceline was lucky to avoid a very big crash just a few meters ahead of us - it may have been the Pack B people, it was really scary since we were skating at around 35km/h at that time. i was wearing my kevlar race protections on hands, knees and elbows, however looking at Kate's injuries (we have the same set) i realise that it could have been a bit nasty. That leads me to want to learn the "how to fall and roll" technique, maybe someone could show me this at a training session one day? I don't want to use pads though especially on knees as it goes against Eddy's "kiss of the knees" tip.
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Beatrice
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:22 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Mike, i experienced the same unfriendly behaviour a few times, they kept yelling at me in German, I was not bothered since i don't understand German Wink  And streetskating experience really was a bonus, as i eventually managed to jumped in the middle of the paceline anyway!
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KateB



Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: Near AAA, button cell, & Duracell....

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:29 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I fell twice (nearly three times)
1 - caught the heel brake of the guy I was following as he did a strange step
2 - guy I was following got knocked by the guys we were passing through, and we did a joint slide
3 - nearly lost it when taking the inside line on a corner and the girl in front of me heel braked! - I hope she understood my english "if you want to take the inside line, you need to do it a lot faster"

Street skating practice held me in really good stead back there in block G/F/E  - very few of the pacelines were functioning at all well unless they had a block from the same team together, and even then some v.strange behaviour

Very glad of my kevlar sliding leggings &elbows- I suspect I would have left chunks of flesh behind, and as it is I've only got a few grazes (which are, admittedly, weeping rather ferociously at present). I wouldn't want to go back to racing in chunky knee pads, but I'll keep an eye out for a compromise with a little cushioning. The elbows were great - I just have a big bruise

K


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dan_b



Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:32 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

ls_mike wrote:
I didn't have much trouble with skaters of poor ability, most were more than capable enough in my surroundings.  


I think I might have caused some trouble for skaters of poor ability (no actual stacks, but maybe a few wobbles and some German phrases I didn't understand but from context were probably rude) but maybe next time they'll be more aware of the possibility that faster skaters behind them might want to come past and desist from silly stunts like braking on corners.

(I'm not bitching: it was kind of fun playing gumbie slalom.  I was just surprised at how much oppportunity for it there was)
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lemming



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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Location: Reading, UK

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:32 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Why so many falls then??
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Mikey-two-Names



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:36 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

lemming wrote:
Why so many falls then??


People skating to their limits with lactate wobbly legs, high speed, crowded space, and the odd unexpected road surface feature.  Although it has to be said nothing like those we have in London, it's still more scary because I don't draft that close on London streets.

It was quite busy in the B grouping I was with, but by no means over crowded.  I hate to imagine what it must have been like further back in D and beyond.
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KateB



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:38 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

IMO why there were falls at the back:
way too many people were starting in what turned out to be the wrong block, so yes, it was crowded and dangerous each time the front of a start block made it's way through the back of another. I was definitely well up block E at the finish. Plus the lack of pacelining experience meant that the skaters took up a lot more of the road than they needed to. My second fall was whilst taking the only gap between a paceline and THREE individual skaters strung accross the road

K
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