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sol
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 Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:39 am Subject: |
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| diego wrote: |
Now, if we want to talk about walking around in shoes with Speedplay cleats attached, that's a completely different thing... |
Just get cleat covers. And remember to carry them with you!  |
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Barrie
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:50 pm Subject: |
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| Mikey-two-Names wrote: |
Which of us have used both?  |
As said, I'm often getting stuck behind SPD users having a little faff, I never get stuck behind toe-clip users ( which there are more of than I expected ).
Though that does exclude tightening the straps, I ( nor anyone else that I've seen ) bothers for commuting, so it's not a direct comparison.
The only time I've struggled with my toe clips was doing some Regents Pk laps with Ed and Pam, but that was a one off for whatever unfathomable reason.
I've only noticed one who was about as slick, a few days ago, and he still messed up a couple of times ( he was on a fixie though ). He stood out *because* he wasn't getting in my when while faffing. Legs like tree trunks might've helped mitigate it a bit too though lol.
Anyway, if it's feasable to turn the crank a few times to get across junctions and then clip in with SPD, that largely avoids the issue. Perhaps the problems I've read about this is more of an off road issue... ( hence Crank Brothers making the Candy version of the egg beaters ). |
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Sparky
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:05 pm Subject: |
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| I use one sided SPD's on my road and fixed bikes and can pretty much engage with the pedal the first time of asking, I really cant imagine ever going back to toe clips |
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Howard
Joined: 24 Jan 2010
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Location: W2 now init.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:19 pm Subject: |
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| Barrie wrote: |
| Mikey-two-Names wrote: |
| Which of us have used both? |
As said, I'm often getting stuck behind SPD users having a little faff, I never get stuck behind toe-clip users ( which there are more of than I expected ). |
The only reason you'd be having a faff with SPDs off the lights is if you are using Road specific shoes with them. I've tried. It's not recommended
| Barrie wrote: |
| Anyway, if it's feasable to turn the crank a few times to get across junctions and then clip in with SPD, that largely avoids the issue. |
It is easy to do this, especially with the wide body pedals I linked to. |
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Barrie
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:39 pm Subject: |
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I'd say most people on my commute have the softer more walking friendly MTB shoes ( as opposed to the harder more racey looking MTB shoes ).
I suspect that they're just trying to clip in straight away, when, from what's been said here, they don't really need to. |
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ed!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:44 pm Subject: |
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| Barrie wrote: |
| I'd say most people on my commute have the softer more walking friendly MTB shoes ( as opposed to the harder more racey looking MTB shoes ). |
I would say the only thing "harder" about racey MTB shoes is the carbon sole. Everything else is still soft.
Having more flex in the sole will be more comfortable for walking around in, but will result in loss of power transfer (though not anything we should concern ourselves with) when pedalling. |
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Mikey-two-Names
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:50 pm Subject: |
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| Sparky wrote: |
| I use one sided SPD's on my road and fixed bikes and can pretty much engage with the pedal the first time of asking, I really cant imagine ever going back to toe clips |
Yeah, that's what I observe too. |
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diego
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:02 pm Subject: |
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| sol wrote: |
| diego wrote: |
Now, if we want to talk about walking around in shoes with Speedplay cleats attached, that's a completely different thing... |
Just get cleat covers. And remember to carry them with you! |
I know, and I usually do, but sometimes getting the covers out of the saddle bag, on cleats, then back off cleats and in the saddle bag to walk around just a couple of hundred meters, while your mates on MTB shoes walk away, is just annoying... 
| ed! wrote: |
| Having more flex in the sole will be more comfortable for walking around in, but will result in loss of power transfer (though not anything we should concern ourselves with) when pedalling. |
I'd say there's one added bonus on long rides for those who have a carbon sole, compared to those who have a softer plastic sole.
If your pedalling motion is less than perfect (which is the case for most of the amateurs like us) you will tend to "push down" during the pedal stroke, as opposed to having a more "round" pedalling.
This means you put a lot of stress on the shoe sole where the point of contact with the pedal is, and a softer plastic sole will "give" more than a carbon one (which would spread the load more equally throughout the sole), causing what is usually referred to as a "hot spot" usually under the ball of your feet.
On a short commute this should make no big difference, plus this is probably quite subjective and dependant on many different causes (soft feets [like mine] and not cycling enough to get used to it [like me, actually], plus putting more power in each stroke [typical of heavier blokes] usually makes things worse).
Also, I have carbon soles and on a typical turbo session (with less coasting/wheel sucking and more constant pushing) I still get hot spots 
[need to go back and work on technique].
Back to the ease of clipping, I cannot see how a carbon sole vs. a softer plastic sole can make a difference.
If anything, I'd say look at what cyclocross racers use: they need to unclip fast, run with those shoes, then jump on the bike and clip in without wasting a single pedal stroke... all you might need in an everyday commute, right? |
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Howard
Joined: 24 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:00 pm Subject: |
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| diego wrote: |
If anything, I'd say look at what cyclocross racers use: they need to unclip fast, run with those shoes, then jump on the bike and clip in without wasting a single pedal stroke... all you might need in an everyday commute, right? |
I have Mavic Tempo CX shoes and they are awesome - no hotspots, rock solid, light, easy to run in when you shoulder the bike... if I ever wanted to do that |
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Mikey-two-Names
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:02 pm Subject: |
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| Diego is spot on about hard carbon soles being much better. One other point about hotspots is that a number of the long distance audaxers feel it's more about shoe fit and having your shoes too tight. They're not skates, and there's no need to have them as tight, unless perhaps you're track racing or somesuch. |
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Barrie
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:30 am Subject: Re: Shoes and Pedals? |
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| Barrie wrote: |
I've tried loads of shoes on at various branches of Evans, and frankly, none of them seem to fit me very well, so I'm tempted to take a punt on these while they're cheap :-
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-m1-mtb-shoes/ |
These seems pretty good so far!
Much better fit than any others I tried on, they seem more rugged too, and the reviews back that up.
Now to get Evans to price match some spd peddles  |
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