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Training vs Rest - Some Opinions
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noodle



Joined: 04 Jul 2006
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Location: Ladbroke Grove

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:13 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I like the zopne thing. Never used heart rate monitor (will look at getting one) but you can feel it in yourself??
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Mikey-two-Names



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:11 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

I think the whole zone thing is perhaps overly detailed.  HR changes so much based on so many factors, that they are only worth rough guidelines.

Bill Begg doesn't depend on heart rates at all when he is coaching, and instead uses ratio of perceived exertion.
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skaterliesel



Joined: 06 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:22 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

Mike's right, loads of low intensity training makes you faster in the end, if you have the hard stuff (interval sessions) and the rest periods, too.

You also have to differentiate between one sport and the other : your aerobic threshhold and maximum pulse may differ !!

In skating, I'm a complete "wimp" .... my aerobic threshhold is pretty exact at 165-167bpm (and I can skate 'forever' within that range), my race average pulse is at 188 for no matter which distance, and my (witnessed) max pulse is at 194bpm.
In contrary, I almost fall off a bike after 40 minutes, if my pulse goes as much as above 140 bpm for that period of time. And running is completely unpredictable : one day 160 bpm feel great, and another I almost die at 145 bpm.

@Nina
Before the marathon, try to stack up some carbs. If you are not into pasta, don't go for the "pasta-party" but take risotto - all you can eat the night before the race. High carb breakfast again, and as the marathon is in the afternoon, only light lunch.  Water is o.k. during the race. I personally do not like lucozade & co. so I always mix the water with the small amount of apple juice. If you opt for that, try out the right dilution at your street skates.
During the race, some powerbars always come in handy ... the problem is timing as they take about 15 minutes to get into your blood. Gels are faster, but taste horrible. If you are skating around 1:30h or faster at a marathon, you should be able to skate it without having to 'refuel' during the race. I always take the bars along 'just in case'.

P.S.
The only public humiliation you could face at Berlin, is "not-finishing-for-no-adequate-reason" Shocked  and "not-enjoying-it-although-there-will-be-about-500.000-people-to-cheer-you-on "  Embarassed
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Rick



Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:26 pm    Subject: Reply with quote

noodle wrote:
I like the zopne thing. Never used heart rate monitor (will look at getting one) but you can feel it in yourself??

The heart is a muscle (well a collection of muscles) and can be trained. What you feel when it is unfit at a certain rate is not what you feel at the same rate when it is fit. Don't think it changes your HR max but it will change your HR min as you get fitter. It's therefore important to know your max to find your zone. You'll need a monitor to work that out. As you get fitter, it will take more effort to get your HR up and your other muscles may then be the bits that struggle to keep up.
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noodle



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:43 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback! I am going to see if I can buy a heart rate monitor off internet now...
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andyman



Joined: 05 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:53 am    Subject: Reply with quote

Decathlon have a fairly decent one on offer (was £45) for £19.95

It seems fine for basic functions, HRM and Stopwatch etc. Also allows saving of sets of data for laps etc although you cant upload to PC (which would be nice) Also can be programmed with you personal 'Zones' and can give warnings etc when differing levels are reached/breached

I have been using mine with no probs at all
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