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Mikey-two-Names · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4108

Strictly speaking anything over 1 minute is classed as endurance.

Rick · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 5914

Not sure where that comes from, Mike? 300m and 500m are the only races that go under 1min and not even 500m for some. If you mean any race where you don't go flat out the whole time then I disagree. An endurance event for me is one you have to endure, ie one where a lot of the challenge is in actually finishing it and using your brain and willpower is at least as important as using your strength and technique. This is not the case for a 1500m or even a 5000m where finishing is easy. It is a challenge for some people to finish a half marathon (which is generally 35-50mins) and certainly a marathon for many. So I consider these to be endurance.

Mikey-two-Names · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4108

Oh I understand what you're saying, but I'm speaking from a physiological point of view.

Xia · Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 874 Location: Geneva (Suisse)

Then you will still be wrong...
at 1 minute effort you are still doing a part anaerobic. You need to reach a 20 minute effort to be fully aerobic / endurance.

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I'm also wrong as there is something called anaerobic endurance... so everything can be called endurance.

As seen somewhere one of the definition of endurance is:

Fred_Paris · Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:22 pm Subject:

I was more thinking of 6-7 min.

But I will join Mike regarding the 1 minute limit, but think that "what is under 1 minute is sprint"

Excluding the pysiological aspect I think that 30'+ is a good start for endurance races.

something like a mid category event between sprints and marathon.

Gav · Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:10 am Subject:

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/energysystems.html

Here is a nice link to explain it all to everyone. The body's 3 energy systems, and what is what Smile

Mikey-two-Names · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4108

Good link Gav! I should point out that cycling and skating are slightly different from the running examples given there. Not that the article is wrong, but it doesn't cover the surges and intense periods found in our sport. Running tends more towards steady-state intensity than our sport, which places more reliance on periods of anaerobic effort with periods of recovery. IIRC the ATP system also tends to recover with full rest, active recovery is not correct if you're trying to train this system with intervals.

It still doesn't change the fact that events over ~90 seconds are classed as endurance.

Fred_Paris · Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:59 am Subject:

In order to add such an endurance race at the end of the actual races, I think than 30 minutes is a good start.

more than 45 min in my opinion will lead to a split of the skaters on an event, in order to perfom on the endurance race for example, so you will find that in the end some skaters only enter the endurance race.

It will be nice to be able to enter all the races on the day for example a 1k, then a 3k and a 5k and finally a 30min+laps.

Xia · Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 874 Location: Geneva (Suisse)

Mikey-two-Names · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4108

No, skating is not much like running at all. Instead it's very similar to cycling, both in terms of race strategies and fitness requirements.

There is little fitness crossover between running and skating/cycling, whilst skating and cycling have very similar muscle movement speeds and patterns. That's why cycling is used by nearly all serious skaters as cross training.

Xia · Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 874 Location: Geneva (Suisse)

Yes I agree with you Mike, but look at the type of race we have and they are more comparable to running than Cycling. When you consider cycling more similar to skating then endurance is more in hours not minutes. (that what I.m trying to get at in this thread)

Cycling have:
Track, only keirin is simmilar to skating races
Time trial, only rarely done in skating
One day Road races of 4-6 hours, only A2A and 111
road Stage races, unheard in skating

Running have
Short distances (sprint) => 500m skating
Medium (800-1500) => 1000 - 5km skating
1/2 and Marathons => same

arf forgot about hurdle races.... that is also unheard of on skate but could be fun!

Gav · Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 6:34 am Subject:

Endurance is waking up at 5:30am for no reason, deciding to come into work, and working a full day until 6pm.

Now that's endurance.

I think I'm going mad.

greazer · Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 330 Location: Haarlem

Endurance is waking up at 4:45am tomorrow, driving to Oude Pekela (Groningen, the Netherlands), and skating 200km.

Now that's endurance.

Already mad, Wink

Andy.

Rick · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 5914

You win!

Any thoughts on the idea of coming to Le Mans?

Mikey-two-Names · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4108

You're not training for a solo Le Mans effort are you Andy?